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buddythewindowguy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:07 pm    Post subject: valuing my biz Reply with quote

I am soon to retire and have approx. $3000 worth of monthly commercial accounts and $500 per month of residential work. Now I realise I won;t be able to live long on the proceeds from the sale but would like to get a fair value for it. Any suggetions?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you selling the accounts only or all your equipment also? Ladders, poles etc...

How certain are you that you accounts will stay with the new owner?

Is your business a single person operation or do you have employees?

Just some questions to consider in the decision on how to price.

Steve
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of my equiptment which I estimate to be worth less than $500 (I'm not including my truck).

The accounts are long standing accounts, most held since they opened their doors many years ago and most of which will stick with the new owner since there are no other long term reliable operators in the area.

I have approximately 60% market share and could grow it more if I chose (and might) if the selling price is worth it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a very subjective task to valuate a business.

Some points to consider though:

1) Window cleaning franchise operations sell for anywhere from $17,500 to $35,000. Of course you get the power of the brand name and a proven success formula.

2) You can't place a value on "blue sky" (in other words accounts in your area that you could get but don't have) because a competitor could come in and get them also.

3) Your experience to the new owner shouldn't be underestimated. Since you know all the people and could help someone get started quickly, you might consider your time and price your business in a way that would be attractive to someone that wants to be in business, then offer your service to them as a consultant for 90 days. at an hourly rate equal to what you are making now.

Example: If you are making $25.00 hr now consider selling the business for 90 days worth of your time $25.00 hr x 40 hrs = $1,000 x 12 weeks = $12,000

If your business is turning $3,500 gross per month or 42,000 year then $12,000 is 28% of gross revenue. Offer the new owner a 12 month payment plan so he can start making money right away. The new owner can benefit from your experience and you can draw $1,000 per month for the next year.

You can plug any number into the equation you want, but that's my opinion.

Good luck!

Steve
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Steve!

I guess I won't be buying that beach house in Florida anytime soon Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve,

Just curious how you decide that the business is worth just 90 days worth of time?

Buddy, I would not suggest selling short for any reason, unless there is some extenuating circumstance. I'm sure you worked hard to build that window cleaning route.

You can ask for any amount and *potentially* get it, depending on the market. The value assigned to the business really is determined by the buyer. Of course, you do want to be able to let people know its up for sale, so you need some asking price to start with, so start high!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi Steve,

Just curious how you decide that the business is worth just 90 days worth of time?


Laban - I was just taking a shot in the dark but if you look at what he said.

1) He has less than 500.00 in actual equipment.

2) His business brings in a gross annual income of $42,000 which means after operating expenses of 20% (just a guess) his net is 33,600.

3) A new owner is buying a business generating 33,600 (if all his customers stay on board, which is impossible to guarantee without service contracts).

4) Since he doesn't own a geographic territory or market, he can't place a value on the potential business since it's there for the taking by anybody that wants to compete.

5) If the new owner pays $12,000 for the business, he must deduct that from the net profit of first year revenue. $33,600 - $12,000 = $21,600

6) $21,600 net for a first year start up window cleaning operation means that the new owner will make $1,800 a month or about $11.25 an hour. BEFORE TAXES

7) The above figures assume that the new owner has little or no capitol expenses for the first year such as a vehicle or new ladders etc... if he does, then his hourly rate is even lower.

Cool Would you pay $12,000 to make 11.25 an hour?

9) A new company could just go out and compete since the man is retiring anyway and without any service contracts, his customer base is about to be wide open to competition with or without a new owner.

I am sorry if I offended you, but this deal just doesn't have that much on the table in my opinion. However, he could ask a million dollars if he wants, but in the end the business will be valued by whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

Buddy, I wish you the best and if your looking to generate some retirement income, contact me about an awesome new technology that you could sell to your window cleaning customers and earn some extra cash without a lot of hassle. When I sell it to my customers it doubles or triples my profit .

Steve.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve,

Definitely no offense taken, business is not personal to me.

It's just as you said, "in the end the business will be valued by whatever someone is willing to pay for it."

My point is simply that if he's going to list it somewhere and put an asking price down, he should start high, that's all.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:09 pm    Post subject: ft worth texas Reply with quote

hi im lenny from ft worth texas and i started panther city windows{panther city is old nick name for ft worth} a while back and i only have commercial accounts. i would like some residential accounts and what's aq good way about getting some?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:11 pm    Post subject: e-mail Reply with quote

i'm sorry here is my e-mail if any private replies. panthercitywindows@yahoo.com. thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hi im lenny from ft worth texas and i started panther city windows{panther city is old nick name for ft worth} a while back and i only have commercial accounts. i would like some residential accounts and what's aq good way about getting some?


Try running a simple ad in the newspaper under "services offered" or some similar category.

It helps to give some kind of incentive like "Spring Special" or "20% off for new customers".

Good success,

Steve
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Adding residential Reply with quote

Hi lenny,
I'm a residential specialist, and I've found any number of ways to build a residential base. Such as...

1. Talk to everyone associated with the jobs you now have. Make sure they all know you're going into the residential business. Hand out lots of cards, tell them they can now enjoy the wonderfully clean windows you give them at work, in their privat homes. Offer them discounts for referrals.

2. Go to a local printer and have them help you develop an attractive door hanger. You should be able to get a thousand of them for a couple hundred bucks. Then study your area, looking for upscale neighborhoods where they'll allow to hang them. After you start getting some jobs, put doorhangers on the houses of the ten closest neighbors, even if you've left them there before. The more they see your name, the more likely they are to call. It's a good idea to print a couple of coupons on the doorhangers as well.

3. Do some charity work. Contact Habitat for Humanity and see if they've got any houses going up in your area, and volunteer to do the windows for free. While you're there, give out plenty of business cards.
Offer to clean the windows at local churches for free, or at a discount, and ask them to let the members know thet you've done this for them. (I would make sure I wasn't undercutting their regular window cleaner, if they have one.)

4. Knock doors. Usually the best way to sell your service is to sell yourself, face to face, to prospective customers. Be polite and well-groomed, and offer to give them a free estimate. Understand that you won't always close the job immediately, but that they may call you back later. Whether or not they accept your bid, ask for referrals. And make sure always to leave a good taste in their mouth about you and your company.

Hope this helps.
Good luck!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to take this one step further from what Tim had said...Charity work.
We are big into charity work, look into your local chamber of commerce and see if they have an annual auction. Auction off a window cleaning, we have (you can email us for help on that if you wish). It also gets your name out there. Chambers are there to put money back into there community. Great cause AND they help you, the business owner.
Also call schools and ask if they have auctions, we have one coming up with an elementary school who wants to buy new playground equipment.
Just a couple of ideas for you....Smile
Ellen
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:44 am    Post subject: Posted form a couple years back Reply with quote

Sonlight wrote:

Buddy, I wish you the best and if your looking to generate some retirement income, contact me about an awesome new technology that you could sell to your window cleaning customers and earn some extra cash without a lot of hassle. When I sell it to my customers it doubles or triples my profit .

Steve.


I was browsing through the older posts (extra time on my hands Very Happy ) and saw this little gem. Can you elaborate please?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triple the profit! Let me in on it too!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess we will never know.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:14 am    Post subject: valuing your biz Reply with quote

Hi Mate
Here in the Uk residential work sells for 3-4 months turnover, commercial work is considered much more valuable 5- 6 times turnover.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Posted form a couple years back Reply with quote

clearlyprofessional wrote:
Sonlight wrote:

Buddy, I wish you the best and if your looking to generate some retirement income, contact me about an awesome new technology that you could sell to your window cleaning customers and earn some extra cash without a lot of hassle. When I sell it to my customers it doubles or triples my profit .

Steve.


I was browsing through the older posts (extra time on my hands Very Happy ) and saw this little gem. Can you elaborate please?


Sorry I missed this post. The technology is EcoQuest air purification systems. They are great products I have two in my home. They are usually purchased by the same type of customer who cares about clean windows and the profit is good. Basically, you leave a demo unit for a few days and go back and collect a check.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! I had forgotten too. I will google them and check it out. thanks.
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